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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 8, 2009 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The Great Lost Dead Set

Let's assemble a "lost" debut of original (and maybe cover) songs that were played live in the early days - but were shelved before being officially recorded (no studio versions exist)
Nominees include:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=253361

(^a recent thread discussing the rarest one of all - only 1 version survives, and it's as good as the thread claims!)

Standing On The Corner

Clementine

Gangster of Love

Betty And Dupree

You See A Broken Heart



Let's include so-called traditionals that were so altered by the Grateful dead that they made them their own, such as
others on Birth of the Dead and Rarities and Oddities 1966
and...??

Your turn!





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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jul 8, 2009 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Where does Gangster of Love reside - I don't see it on the archive.

I love the Johnny Winter version of this song on the disc of the same name (Gangster of Love - Collectables Records).

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 8, 2009 11:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Johny Guitar Watson is the only version you need. Zappa's favorite guitarist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk31242CnkU [couldn't help myself]

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 8, 2009 10:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Gangster of Love is on Oddities and Rarities 1966.

I can direct you to a preview of that song (not a cover as far as I know) if you can longer access or purchase the Oddities album (it may already be o.p.)

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jul 8, 2009 10:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

cool, I found the teaser on nugs and it looks like it is not an easy item to find

I suppose someday I may run into a copy

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 8, 2009 7:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

If you want to stream the complete tune, it's on this drop:

http://drop.io/creampuffwar/media

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jul 9, 2009 6:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Cool, Thanks alot cpw!

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jul 8, 2009 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

I love Pigpen's performance here of "I'm Searching", a cover of a Coasters classic. The band sounds like they have been playing it regularly, rather than the rarity that it was.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-11-08.aud.weiner.28609.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 8, 2009 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

I know it's a Stephen Stills song....and they played it twice over the years....but I thought this Black Queen was incredible:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-12-10.sbd.gerland.10986.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 8, 2009 11:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

yes, Black Queen, it's alright by me!
I just checked out the Stills/GD set from your link, LIA.
Good show!

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jul 8, 2009 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Kinda fonda "Cardboard Cowboy" and "Standing on the Corner"

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1966-07-30.sbd.GEMS.94631.flac16

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 9, 2009 4:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Lost Live Dead Setlist

Thanks folks for the thoughtful consise response on these personal favorites some of ya's are fondaswella!

Fenario,
there are also good versions of Cardboard Cowboy, Standing On The Corner (maybe not as tight as July 30th), besides You Don't Have To Ask on this clean crisp July 16th Miller upgrade:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1966-07-16.sbd.miller.89555.sbeok.flac16



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Poster: HaarFager872 Date: Jul 28, 2009 7:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Lost Live Dead Setlist

A song I always liked, but they only performed it a couple times, was "I'm A Hog For You." The old Coaster's song. They did it a couple times in '66, which is the version I like best and once in '71. Doesn't look like they ever did it in the studio.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Jul 8, 2009 11:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

cream-puff-war: Hello - I hope you are doing well.

"Back Home in Indiana" and "Accidentally Like a Martyr" [Jerry studio] - do they fit the criteria for your request?

All the best - always,
--- pauld.

EDIT - just re-read your post and finally realized you're looking for songs performed "live" at least once. ..I only know the studio versions of these, but somebody might be interested to know he performed them anyway.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 9, 2009 7:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

pauld,

Doing better now health-wise.
Good to hear from you!

I agree with your earlier picks for inclusion, Can't Come Down and You Don't Have To Ask, those were the best originals (of a rare nature which leaves out Caution) besides Mindbender and The Only Time Is Now to emerge out of the Autumn sessions.

The two tracks you just now listed, I've never heard - are they hear on LMA somewhere?

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jul 8, 2009 9:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

I know it's a cover, but every time I hear their version of "(Down In) New Orleans" it floors me, then I get up and do the Cueball Bop. I think they only played it a handful of times, and there's no 'clean' version out there, but this AUD is still bitchen':

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-11-08.aud.weiner.28609.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 8, 2009 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

There is a clean New Orleans at the 6-6-70 show....
Even better, there's a New Orleans>Searchin'>Good Lovin' (Jerry sings Good Lovin') on 8-29-69:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-08-29.sbd.cotsman.8996.sbeok.shnf
(Also note that after High Time, the audience tries to get the band to play Hey Jude! But Weir says, "Hey Jude is a lost cause." Garcia explains, "We could do it but Weir forgot the words.... The first request that blows our minds we'll do.")

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jul 8, 2009 3:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Thank you LIA... but don't those other two versions seem awfully, uh, 'relaxed', compared to the 11/8/70? It's Bill's propulsive drumming that ices the cake on that version for me. Those other two, they just kind of shuffle along. They ARE better-recorded though...

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 8, 2009 10:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Well, no question the 11/8/70 show is better - but what interests me about the 8/29/69 New Orleans>Searchin' is that it shows that medley didn't pop out of nowhere in Nov '70....I bet they were doing it in '65! Probably kept playing it at soundchecks or warmups.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jul 8, 2009 10:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

True. Garcia obviously thought that the riffs in the two songs were similar (HE plays them that way), although I think of them as wildly different songs, probably due to hearing Gary U.S. Bonds and The Coasters prior to the Dead's versions. Anyway, thanks are due you; it was nice to hear some contrasting versions.

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Poster: K-Wave Date: Jul 8, 2009 1:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Nice wasn't aware of this. Bob sings the living s*** outta that. And love the Garcia guitar tone.

Thanks again.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jul 8, 2009 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Thanks for this. I remember having filler on a cassette from a show from 84 or 85 where the dead played with the band and there was an encore set that featured New Orleans with Weir on vocals.(for some reason I remember Canada but I may be wrong) Thanks for steering me to this one.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jul 8, 2009 9:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Yeah, in this case it's almost better that "New Orleans" is an AUD, because the crowd is really clapping and cheering along with Weir.

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Poster: jackstraw1957 Date: Jul 11, 2009 9:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

6/21/84 in Toronto

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 8, 2009 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

There's a very early attempt at "New Orleans" by The Dead on this '66 comp:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1966-XX-XX.sbd.GEMS.81254.flac16

and dig this, it's followed by "Twist And Shout" which isn't too common a cover either for the Grateful Dead!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 8, 2009 9:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Didn't they do a version of "Hi-Heel Sneakers" somewhere along the way in that era?

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jul 8, 2009 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Good one BD

The Hi-Heel Sneaks was included in LIA's 'guest appearance' thread
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1969-08-03.sbd.miller.30652.sbeok.flac16

Hear it is in 66
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1966-11-19.sbd.miller.94106.sbeok.flac16

Fun stuff

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 8, 2009 1:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Thanks for the links.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jul 8, 2009 7:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

CPW: thanks for reminding me... Mason's Children!!!

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-workingmans-outtakes.sbd.7319.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 9, 2009 6:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Cueball, I'm digging the double tracked Garcia vocals on this Mason's Children the most.
Thanks for pointing this overlooked batch of demos.

No doubt this Tastebud actually dates back to late '66 or early '67; and is a misplaced 1st album outtake - perhaps?

And there are slight differences in the 2 mixes provided for each song... but what the differences are exactly will cost you your sanity to determine!

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jul 9, 2009 8:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Dead Set

Yeah, that's actually my favorite Mason's... the vocals are almost there for a change! And I like the slower, chugging groove. I was wondering about that Tastebud's origins too... great piano on it. Tastebud could make your list too, no?

As far as the alternate mixes on those Workingman's outakes go... I think one version has more high end and one has more low end. I tend towards the 'brighter' versions... :D

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 9, 2009 5:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Live Dead Set Found!

Hey now, I think we're already assembling a really good collection of "lost" live primal Dead numbers, and much of the material is right here on LMA.

Maybe tomorrow or soon we can start to put it in some kind of working playing order and see how it sounds as a set if that's possible, just for fun!

There's also rare stuff (see LIA's recent list*) found only at Taper's Section which include a personal favorite version of Mindbender:

http://www.dead.net/features/tapers-section/february-5-february-11-2007


"Amongst the mishmash of unlabelled 1966 material in the vault, there was a short snippet of music at the end of the reel labeled 2/6/66, so perhaps this version of Tastebud is from that show, but not for certain. Regardless, it is one of the tightest blues jams of that era, the entire band in perfect sync. Also from that reel is Mindbender, one of the odder of the older oddities."

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BTW, Thanks y'all, for the great suggestions.
Keep Rolling By!


Here is my temporary drop in page where you can find a 99% complete Gangster Of Love (w/slide show):

http://drop.io/creampuffwar/media


*Thanks to LIA for this recent research of what's been archived at Taper's Section:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=248207

There are also several other rarities on the 1966 Oddities collection such as:
Hey Little One
(at least one other version is available here on LMA)

Walking The Dog (Rufus Thomas penned R&B number that the Rolling Stones popularised on their debut vLP)

Don't Mess Up A Good Thing (good Pigpen lead vcls on this R&B cover tune)

Empty Heart (a Rolling Stones original number that the GD rarely -if ever - played again).

BTW, the GD played a number beginning in '69, only a few times over the years, which had been popularised by a rocked-out hit version The Rolling Stones released on their ("12 x 5") 2nd LP.
I had the fortune to hear the Dead do a whacking good version of it circa '70:

"It's All Over Now" (the Bobby Womack R&B original)

It's on the LMA but is slightly hard to find in searches due to it's name similarity to the Dylan song, "It's All Over Now Baby Blue".

So I searched and found for y'all the one version on LMA of them doing "It's All Over Now" in their primal Pigpen era, at the Family Dog on the Great Highway, (next door to Playland-At-The-Beach, SF's legendary amusement park) - Sept. 6, 1969:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-09-06.sbd.samaritano.16608.sbeok.shnf

The show also features them doing "Big Boy Pete", in the style of The Olympics' hit version of the Don & Dewey original.
Rare to hear them doing it as "late" as 1969.

There's only one other 70's version of "It's All Over Now" on LMA, from 1976, an outake from DP 20:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1976-09-25.sbd.vernon.10511.shnf

Too bad no versions from 1970 are circulating (?), by which time they really had it worked up into an exciting set-closer, nonetheless even the early
'69 version gives one a good indication of the energy they infused the classic R&B number with before it was shelved.

The Sept. 6th '69 performance may be the earliest extant live version if not the Dead's debut of the song- check the Deadbase if you can and LMK, I'm curious about the playdates of this song.

It may not have been recorded on the soundboard (or saved on an audience tape either) at the show I saw them do it at, but I remember it was a real crowd pleaser that evening.




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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 9, 2009 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Live Dead Set Found!

Creampuff -
There IS an It's All Over Now from 1970!
http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-11-20.aud.cotsman.9001.sbeok.shnf

The sound isn't great, but I think it's quite listenable. Jorma K joins them on this one....

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 10, 2009 12:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Great Lost Live Dead Set Found!

Wow, thanks Light for finding that one!